Denominational Polygamy

How many Churches did Jesus start?
“When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, “Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?” So they said, “Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.”  Matthew 16:13-18 NKJV

Jesus said he was going to build HIS Church, He only allowed one Church in this sentence. He did not say he was going to build His “Churches” He said he would build His Church. 

I’ll take a side step just to handle a quick topic on the side here so I don’t need to do it again for a while. 

In the passage above I see that Jesus used two different words for “Rock” determined by gender. I’m not a linguist and many are welcome to disagree with my explanation. The word PETROS translated as Peter in some linguists’ view denotes a small stone, moveable and insecure. This would make sense to me. 

The word PETRA translated by some linguists as a large, foundational stone, immovable and could indicate that Jesus is referring to the Testimony of the Apostles, “You are the Christ, the Son of God” which could indicate Jesus was referring to that testimony as the foundation of the Church. 

This is the understanding to which I subscribe. I realize many will disagree with me, in particular Roman Catholics who would want Peter to be shown as the primary head of the Church, but I’m more inclined toward the Testimony of the Apostles being the foundation based on History not simply a declaration of belief. The History of the Church shows that the foundation was on the Testimony of the Apostles of Jesus being the Christ not founded on a single man. So for this and further discussions, I will be approaching this subject from that perspective. I am not infallible but I have spent some time in research and made this conclusion personally. 

Jesus built ONE Church. Let’s look at the descriptions of the Church and how they apply in this topic of discussion. 

In 1 Corinthians 12, Ephesians 1, Ephesians 4, Colossians 1, and in Romans 12, Saint Paul referred to the Church as the Body of Christ. He identified us as members of His Body and interdependent on each other. That was one clear description of the Church. 

In the book of Revelation, the figurative language in chapters 21 & 22 refer to the Church as the BRIDE. 

There have been many who try to explain that the Church is some invisible group that includes anyone that believes in Jesus. This is leaving us open to any heresy that might come along. If the Church is invisible then how can the Body of Christ be invisible? Jesus was visible, he was seen by many, at one time over 500 saw him after His resurrection. He was clearly visible so His Body needs to be visible. 

If the Church is the Bride of Christ, is he polygamous? Does he have multiple wives? If His Church is His Bride, there can only be one Bride. So what of all these denominations? What do we do with them?

The Church was founded by Jesus, as I have explained, on the foundation of the Testimony that Jesus is the Christ. The promise of Jesus is clear, “the Gates of Hades will not prevail against it” meaning the Church. 

Jesus is God. If we have not understood that before, we must conclude that from multiple declarations He made. He forgave sin, only God can forgive sin. He stated that He was one in essence and being with the Father. The great theologian St. John in the first chapter of John says, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”  John 1:1 NKJV so we know Jesus is God. 

At the first Ecumenical Council, the debate between the heretic Arius and the Church was about whether Jesus, God the Son, was of the same substance as the Father or just a similar substance. That is why the Creed says that the Lord Jesus Christ was “begotten not made, of one essence with the Father, light of light, true God of true God” so as far as Jesus is concerned we know that He is God. 

Since Jesus is God we know that he is incapable of lying. All the way back to Moses, in the book of Numbers we find, ““God is not a man, that He should lie, Nor a son of man, that He should repent. Has He said, and will He not do? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?” Numbers 23:19 NKJV. So since Jesus is God and cannot lie when he said, “And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.” Matthew 16:18 NKJV that at no time in the history of the Church could that happen. 

The denominations that were created during and since the Reformation are not the Church. There are over 50,000 religious organizations that claim to be Christian in the USA. There are religions that are formed based on one concept or one verse in the New Testament. I have known preachers to form entire movements based solely on a verse. In the 1960s a preacher in Tulsa, Oklahoma preached from the verse where Jesus talked about faith the size of a mustard seed. From that he built a movement, mailings, fundraisers, give-aways, rewards for donations. This went for years, “seed-faith giving” was his tag line. 

Another preacher also in the Tulsa area built a movement and followers for decades over his belief that God was speaking to him when he found a verse that said, “I would that you shall prosper and be in health, even as your soul prospers.” 

There are older denominations that formed in the 16th century such as the Lutherans, the Presbyterians, the Methodists, and those that grew out of the reformation but came along later such as the various forms of Baptists. There are religious groups that make a point of saying they’re not denominations, or that they’re independent. This crowd of religions is made up of groups that do not agree, many don’t accept the others, but they each claim to be the Body of Christ under some sort of invisible church kind of thing. 

If all the denominations were actually part of the Body of Christ, if they were the Bride of Christ then Christ has a multitude of Brides, a form of denominational polygamy. If they’re part of the Body of Christ then Jesus has tens of thousands of bodies. If all these religions are truly receiving revelation from God then God tells Joe one thing and tells Jim something completely different. This leads to the conclusion that Jesus only founded one Church. The Church that Jesus built has never gone away, never needed reforming, never needed restoring, she’s still the Church. The denominations, regardless of the good intentions of the people, are trying to replace the Bride but cannot. There are many that pretend but cannot be the Bride. 

So then, as with anything we learn, we must make a choice. Do I ignore the truth because it is not convenient? Do I reject the truth because “in my opinion” it’s not correct? Or do I seriously examine the evidence and openly question my own beliefs because God can always be proven truthful. 

So what value is there in the choice of religion?

In the course of this life, we are faced with choices. Each time we are confronted by truth, there are choices to be made. We learn about Christ in the Gospel, we must make a choice. We find out that the Ancient Christian Church exists, we must make a choice. We find out that the Christian Church, founded by Jesus on the testimony of the Apostles, teaches the Apostles’ doctrine and it is different from what we were taught at whatever religious group we have been part of, we have a choice to make. 

We do not have the luxury of creating our own doctrine. We do not change the teachings of the Church to conform to society. We accept the teachings of the Church as they are delivered to us. We do not use the Church and her teachings for our convenience like a cafeteria, picking out what we like and leaving what is difficult or that we don’t like. 

The differences between the Church and new religions are not superficial. It is often a matter of substance not simply style. The word “Orthodox” is a compound Greek word that means correct teaching. The correct way to teach anything, a skill, for instance, is the orthodox way to teach that skill. With the Orthodox Church we have the original Church, built by Jesus on the foundation of the testimony of the Apostles. So for this discussion we will be looking at the Orthodox Church and the Heterodox churches. The heterodox, multitude of teachings, are born out of some other point than the original Church. 

For this discussion the heterodox religions will be differentiated from the Orthodox Christian Church. The Christian Church was founded on the testimony of the Apostles that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of God. Jesus said he would build his Church on that testimony and that the gates of Hades would not prevail against it.  

In 1054ad the Roman pope (archbishop) separated his local churches from the majority of the Christian Church in a Great Schism that left the Easter Church and creating what we know of as the Roman Catholic Church. The heresy that Rome committed in this action began a long road of heresies that brought about the reformers in the 1500s. 

Martin Luther, a German friar and monk, being distressed by the heresies involving the sale of indulgences (permission to sin) by his Roman Bishops rebelled. He ultimately translated the New Testament into German so that his followers did not need a teacher to read it to them in Latin and tell them of its content. The translation process was clearly corrupted but I’ll deal with that in the future because that one event would take an entire article. 

The Protestant Reformation was predicated on the belief that the entire Ancient Church had fallen into apostasy simply because the reformers were either ignorant of the Eastern Church or they presumed the Eastern Church was identical to the Roman Church. For that belief to be true, for the Church to have descended into apostasy, the promise of Jesus, “I will build my Church and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it” would have to be false. Since Jesus is God, proven by his life, death and resurrection, He cannot lie. So the basic belief that the Church needed to be reformed was false invalidating the Reformation and its foundational doctrines. 

The doctrines created and put forth by Martin Luther, known as the Three Solae, were the foundation of the Protestant Reformation. They were Sola Scriptura, Sola Fide, and Sola Gratia which meant Scripture Alone, Faith Alone, and Grace Alone. These doctrines were not original in the Church and Luther built his movement on them. The other Reformers also adopted these doctrines and to this day, 500 years later, the Protestant religions continue to teach these misleading large groups of people and building other teachings on top of them. 

Scripture Alone means simply that only what the individual finds in the Bible is valid for doctrine. This is misleading because the reality is that it is “only what I find and interpret from scripture” is valid. This makes the individual the final arbiter of truth. It also brings about an attitude that allows the individual to judge religious groups by his own personal interpretation of the Bible. This was evident even at the beginning of the Reformation. Huldrych Zwingli and Martin Luther disagreed on what the scriptures taught concerning the Eucharist. Luther read the scriptures and saw the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist, that the elements were mysteriously transformed by God into the Body and Blood of Christ. Zwingli however, read the same scriptures and rejected the interpretation by Luther and saw Communion as a simple memorial service in the church. 

The idea of Scripture Alone also makes it impossible for the true history of the Church from 33-386ad to be understood. While the writings that finally made up the New Testament were in existence, there were many others also passed around in the local churches. The doctrine of the Church, however, was passed down from the Apostles to the Bishops in an unbroken line of succession. If the Church had been dependent on Scripture she would not have been able to overcome the persecution of the first three centuries and still evangelize the world. 

In the Church, doctrine was not created by the bishops or the people, it was passed down by the Apostles. Historically the Church followed “The Apostles Doctrine” and so no new doctrine was necessary after the Apostles completed their service to God in the Church. 

So what value is there in our choice of religion? In a previous article, we looked at the fact that God will save those whom HE chooses, and we cannot presume to declare who will be saved and who will not be saved. We know that salvation is the end result when we are saved from Hell in the final judgement. So why should I be in the Ancient Church? Why can I not choose to be in a church where I am “comfortable” where the music makes me “feel God” and where I enjoy the people? 

Once we have seen the truth and know that the Ancient Christian Church exists, we are responsible to that truth; Not to man, but to God. Once we were ignorant of our own sin, but then someone came along and told us the truth. We learned that we had fallen short of God’s plan and at that point we were responsible for that knowledge. To ignore the facts once we learn them makes us responsible to God for those facts. Millions of people are completely ignorant about the Orthodox Christian Church, but not you. You know that the Church exists. 

“Therefore we must give the more earnest heed to the things we have heard, lest we drift away. For if the word spoken through angels proved steadfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just reward, how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed to us by those who heard Him, God also bearing witness both with signs and wonders, with various miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit, according to His own will?” Hebrews 2:1-4 NKJV

You can believe anything in this world, the world is filled with religions. There are tens-of-thousands of religions that call themselves “Christian” and they range from the simple to the extremely complicated. There are community churches where many common songs are sung, and a person preaches whatever is important to them at the time. There are churches with catchy names, preachers with catchy titles and tag lines for their sermons each time they speak. There are churches that the preacher has no title, he is just called “pastor” or “minister” and others where there are husband and wife teams that are called “pastors” or even where they’re called “Doctor” but really what value is the choice?

Some will say, “I feel the Spirit when I go to that church” or “They minister to me at that church” but what are we saying? We are saying that I’m following my feelings. I get excited when I’m there because the music makes me happy. It reminds me of happy times, I’m reminded of how God loves me or something else. Does this have value? Is the way I feel what matters?  

This church has a youth group and it keeps my teenagers occupied and they talk about God. They want to go there, there is good influence for the kids etc. etc. but what value is there in this if what the children learn only makes them want to hang out with a different group? Are they changed in their attitudes at home? Are the different? Or are they simply emotionally moved and that wears off they’re the same person with the same focus? 

Does it matter what church I choose? If God will, in His sovereign action, choose who He saves and who He rejects, does it matter what religion I choose?

To ask that is similar to the question St. Paul asked to the Romans. “What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?” Romans 6:1 NKJV

If God chooses in the final judgement, why does it matter where I go to church?  

What God are you serving? There’s a point that we must ask ourselves what God we serve. Doesn’t everyone worship the same God? They use the same words.  

Many religions use the same words, they often pray the same kinds of prayers, but they often mean very different things. One religion talks about the “Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit” but they teach that the Father is a flesh and bone, created being that has attained to be a god. That same religion talks of the Son also as a created being of flesh and bone and that the Son is truly the physical brother of Lucifer. That religion speaks of the Holy Spirit as simply a wind, an affect of God’s presence. 

The Ancient Christian Church, the Orthodox Christian Church teaches the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, One God, as Jesus and the Apostles taught. The first Council of the Church in 325ad was called because there was a well known preacher that preached Jesus was a created being. The Greek words that were at the heart of that controversy were homoousios and homoiousios. This might seem confusing but really it’s the difference between the Father, Son and Holy Spirit being the same substance – homoousios or just similar substance – homoiousios. Many heresies grew up in the Church over how to understand God. Many people that call themselves Christians today bristle at the thought of calling Jesus God. They don’t mind the term “Son of God” but to understand that there is only one God as in: ““Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one!” Deuteronomy 6:4 NKJV and connect it to Jesus saying: “I and My Father are one.” John 10:30 NKJV and Jesus using the word that indicated he was one in essence and being with the Father, is difficult. 

If the church I go to has the wrong God, no matter what else they say, having the wrong God matters. If the religion that I have chosen has the wrong God in the beginning, all the good that the religion does is really for nothing. They can have social welfare efforts that they fund, they can have food pantries, they can have magnificent places of worship, all meaningless, all vanity if their God is really just another god of their own design. 

Many people who call themselves Christian have told me, “The God I believe in won’t send anyone to hell” or something like that. As if just judgement is somehow wrong and judging God by human standards is somehow correct. This would indicate that the god they worship is a god of their own design and making. 

The Orthodox Christian Church is not some denomination, some sect, that has divided from others during the Reformation, it is the original Church, founded and built by Jesus on the testimony of the Apostles and the one Church that even through centuries of persecution has not been defeated by the gates of Hades. She has endured from the first century and while she has had forces from inside and outside trying to destroy her, she is still here, preaching the truth. She has resisted the forces of heresy in the attempts to rob Jesus of his divinity, demote the Holy Spirit to some lesser force, the heresies of Gnosticism and Nestorianism even the heresies of the modern day with Moralistic Therapeudic Deism becoming the latest. The message of the Orthodox (right teaching) Christian Church remains constant. 

The choice of religion is not simply a choice between white bread and wheat bread. They are not equals. The choice of religion, once we have heard of the truth, becomes the choice of an adult. Choosing for instance, to study the scriptures guided by our own vain imaginations, hoping to “get it right” or studying the scriptures guided by the Fathers of the Church who wrote to us many books to guide us. The Fathers’ sermons were written for us to learn from. Reading the scriptures guided by the Fathers gives us greater understanding.

Choose your religion wisely, seek the narrow path, seek the narrow gate where you take up your own cross and follow Jesus. Find the truth of the Gospel where you can be baptized into Christ and put on Christ, where you can die to sin daily, where you seek a life where you are crucified daily to the passions and sin that can delay you and seek the fulfillment in serving the God who created you. The Only True Living God who created all things visible and invisible. 

Is there salvation apart from The Church?

Is there salvation apart from The Church?
Many people like to claim they are “saved”. Often times they ask others if THEY are “saved”. 
I think it is at least worth the examination following my article HERE. With the organism of the Church, being historically traceable to the Apostles in the first century, many people who are hung up on their “organization” or mine, they will respond with offense. “You’re saying unless I’m in your “organization” I’m not “saved”. This really isn’t the conclusion to be made so let’s look at Salvation. 
Salvation from what?  
What are we “saved” from? Is there a simple answer to this question? Is there a universal answer to this question. Let’s look first at the Scriptures for an answer.
In Luke 7 when Jesus was visiting the house and table of a Pharisee, a woman who was known as a prostitute, judging from the context, came in and crying tears of repentance bathed the Lord’s feet with her tears and wiped them off with her hair. She kissed his feet in love as she cried tears of repentance. He declared that her sins, that were many, were forgiven. Jesus also told her that her faith had saved her. 
In Acts chapters 10 and 11 is the story of Cornelius who was known as a devout man, who prayed to God and gave alms to the people. He was told to send for St. Peter, was told where to find him, and was told that Peter would tell him what he needed to know. Peter was going to tell him how to receive remission of sins. 
In Acts chapter 16 when Paul and Silas were beaten and put in prison, an earthquake caused all the jail doors to be opened. The Jailer, fearing punishment almost committed suicide until Paul called out to him to reassure him that everyone was still in their cell. The jailer asked them,“Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” Acts 16:30 NKJV. 
Each of these times, the response was to tell the listeners about Jesus, the good news about Jesus resurrection and forgiveness or remission of sins with believing and baptism. 
On the Day of Pentecost 33ad, when Peter was preaching, those listeners that were devout were affected to the point that they also inquired about what THEY must do. Peter was clear, believe and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of your sins and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 
The Church, founded on the testimony of the Apostles, built by Jesus,the same Church that the gates of Hades cannot prevail against, has been the primary place where this Salvation can be found. We enter the journey toward salvation there, not that we have obtained it or can presume to “be saved” but we begin with belief and baptism. Then the Holy Spirit, making us part of the Body of Christ, builds us up. Our goal is to become like Christ, what we call Theosis. We grow, mature, learn, experience God in our lives and in our worship. 
Salvation is the end result of this life. We certainly are not saved from the weakness of our humanity, we are still human. We are not saved from ever sinning again because we still sin and need forgiveness. It’s part of our growth to learn how to avoid sin and we do get better but as long as we are here, we are not complete. So we have not obtained salvation and we still have the option to turn and walk away.  
The main question above, is there Salvation apart from the Church? I cannot say for certain, I do know that within the Church, all that is necessary for salvation ultimately is provided. Will everyone in the Church be saved in the end? It is clear that not everyone will be simply because not everyone is truly growing. There are people that come into the Church and subsequently leave the Church. There are those who are raised in the Church and in a lifetime never learn or commit themselves to the goal of becoming like Christ. Some people seem to be trusting the fact that they were raised in the Church and think that no matter how selfish, or sinful they are, they are safe. So then, while everything necessary for salvation is available in the Church, not everyone in the Church will be saved in the end. 
Take the parable of the ten virgins. Five were wise, five were foolish. The wise virgins had abundant supplies of oil for their lamps, while the foolish virgins did not. The Fathers taught us that the oil was symbolic of the Holy Spirit in the life of the Christian. Those with plenty, we’re living in such a way as to be continuously supplied, filled up with the Holy Spirit. Those who were foolish were not. When the Bridegroom arrived, those without oil tried to rush out and acquire oil. Those with plenty of oil were welcomed into the marriage and the doors were closed. Some will “make it” while others will be excluded. 
God is sovereign over all, and to try to presume who will be saved and who will not is just as sinful. I cannot say at any moment that “I know that I will be saved” anymore than I can say another will not be saved. It’s up to God. I cannot say that someone cannot be saved if they are in that other group, or this other group over here, all I CAN say is that everything necessary for our ultimate salvation is provided in the Church. 
The idea of salvation being acquired at a specific instance, through the recitation of a prayer, the declaration of repentance, a profession of faith is an idea that was born out of the reformation. The Church did not teach that from the beginning. Today we see it in evangelistic services, there’s an altar call, an invitation of sorts, and people are guided in what they should do according to whatever religious group is conducting the meeting. This ultimately requires the religious person to lead the new converts in a prayer with certain elements, recognizing the convert is a sinner, being sorry, apologetic, repenting (changing direction) and choosing not to sin, and the new convert is declared “saved” or they’re told they are able to claim that. 
People will look at that date as when they were “saved” and are told that never changes. Often the “new” wears off, the excitement dies down, the person goes back to their life and nothing really changes. Their life does not become like Christ, the sins of their life stay with them, so nothing is seen or heard from them again. They might go to church infrequently, Christmas, Easter etc. but in reality nothing ever changed. 
So CAN someone be saved in the end that was not part of the Church, that ancient, original Church? I believe that is up to God and He will save those who HE judges and decides are worthy. I cannot presume to claim that no one OUTSIDE the Church will not be saved. 
Will everyone INSIDE the Church be saved? Clearly that would also be a presumption that I cannot make. There are those who, while they are sitting at the Lord’s table never eat and starve to death.  
Because there is no guarantee, many will use this as an excuse to say, “I will stay in my religion because no one can say that God CANNOT save me here.” This is flawed thinking since the light has shown to the Church. It is God’s plan that men come to the knowledge of the truth and are saved. The Church has the truth, spoken by Jesus, taught by the Apostles, passed down through an unbroken succession of the bishops from the first century to the modern day. To ignore the truth and continue in the same religion, while everyone has the right to do that, it opens us up to the results, the consequences of ignoring this great truth. 

What is “the Church” an organism or an organization?

This is rhetorical but necessary for this discussion to begin.

Often when I’m discussing matters of the Church with Protestants, the responses center around “your church” or “my church” which only serves to confuse the discussion.

When Jesus was with his disciples and traveling to Jerusalem, Matthew 16, he asked them for their testimony of who He was and told them on that testimony he would build his Church.

So what is this Church? Is it an organism or an organization. In the dictionary under the word “organism” we find the following:

Organism:

Organism:

(Noun)

1. a form of life composed of mutually interdependent parts that maintain various vital processes.

2. a form of life considered as an entity; an animal, plant, fungus, protistan, or moneran.

3. any organized body or system conceived of as analogous to a living being: the governmental organism.

4. any complex thing or system having properties and functions determined not only by the properties and relations of its individual parts, but by the character of the whole that they compose and by the relations of the parts to the whole.

These definitions are truly applicable to the Church in many ways. The Holy Scriptures refer to the Church as a BODY.

In 1 Corinthians 12 St. Paul uses the body to describe the Church. Each member, having been baptized into Christ as members of one body. The members of the body, he continues, cannot reject each other. They are interdependent as the hand cannot reject the foot because they are part of one body.

Saint Paul to the Galatians said:

“For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.”

Galatians 3:27 NKJV

Saint Paul concludes his teaching in 1 Corinthians 12 like this:

“Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually.”

I Corinthians 12:27 NKJV

So why is it that the Church is described as a body? The BODY of Christ. I think it’s obvious by the definitions above that the members are interdependent, while they are individuals and entered the Church as individuals, once baptized they have “put on Christ” and are no longer individuals and independent but are part of the whole and interdependent on all others in the BODY.

When we come to the Church, we hear and respond to the Gospel, as in Acts 2:37 “Men and brethren, what shall we do?””

Acts 2:37b NKJV

We believe and we are baptized for the remission of our sins, yes my friend, from the beginning of the Church the baptism was for the remission or forgiveness of our sins. The Apostles preached it from the beginning of the Church. It is an unmistakable, irreplaceable step in our forgiveness of our sin.

This begins our journey and makes us part of the BODY of Christ. This body, the Church, is identifiable by certain characteristics:

1. The Body is a SINGLE entity. There are not thousands of “Bodies” there is one Body.

2. There isn’t a living Church and a dead Church, there is only “The Church”.

3. The Church is universal, it is catholic, not the ROMAN Catholic Church, but the true universal Church. We see in Revelation 15 that there is a temple in Heaven, so the Church is worshiping in Heaven. Jesus is described in the book of Hebrews as our High Priest in Heaven. Those who have died before us are worshipping in Heaven as we are here so we all are one Body.

4. The Church is visible, there are no invisible Christians. As Jesus rose from the dead visibly, so His Body is visible.

5. The Church, in all of its parts, believes and teaches the same things. The teachings of the Apostles has not changed from the beginning. We are certain that the Church is consistent throughout time. The Church does not change doctrine because society changes.

Now let us examine the many other religions which make the claim of being Christian. Do they have a beginning point sometime in recent history? Do we know who began the religion? Even those who claim that they AREN’T a religion, we know they are. Do they teach all that was taught by the Ancient Church?

I’m not going to belabor this point, I’ll simply look at the movements from which many came.

The Reformation: started in the 16th Century from a desire to reform the Roman church which had been in heresy and Schism from the Church since 1054. Marked by belief that the ORIGINAL church had descended into heresy and needed to be reformed. The unspoken belief here is that when Jesus said in Matthew 16 that he would build His Church and the Gates of Hades would not prevail against it that Jesus somehow lied or “got it wrong”.

Since Jesus is God, and “God is not a man that he should lie” Numbers 23:19, the idea that the Gates of Hades prevailed and the Church fell into apostasy or error and needed reforming is simply false. So those who believe the reformation began the Church again or correctly are simply living in error and need to find the True Church.

There is a movement began in the American Plains known as the “Restoration Movement” also with a similar error, that they needed to RESTORE the true church. This was spearheaded by a man named Campbell. It gave rise to “The Christian Churches and Churches of Christ” and other such similar groups. Some in that group deny the Holy Trinity, some do not. Some baptize in the Name of Jesus not in the Name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit as Jesus instructed.

There are many divisions from those two movements where Pentecostal and Charismatic churches have grown out.

Looking at these groups, many would argue that they are “good” people and that’s not the issue. The real issue is are they in the Body of Christ?

If the Body of Christ began on the Day of Pentecost in 33ad, and has continued to teach the same things the Apostles taught, if we are not joined with them the conclusion is that we are NOT part of the Body of Christ.

Now somewhere in the 16th century, during the Reformation, the teaching of Salvation being an occurrence at some measurable point in time, “I was saved on June 1st” for instance, then people began to think of being outside the Body of Christ as a state of not being “saved”. This tends to have people unable or unwilling to accept the teaching that there is but one Body of Christ. Their response is similar to, “if I’m not a member of YOUR church then you say I’m not ‘SAVED’ which to them makes sense, but again it is rooted in false teaching not truth.

Since we are to be saved FROM something, death, Hell etc. claiming to be SAVED now seems a bit presumptuous. Regardless of the mental gymnastics you try to do, following the Apostles teachings as they passed them down to the Church will prevent such presumption; it can also prevent taking offense from these truths as they are being explained.

So the first question, the title question, is the Church an organism or an organization. The answer is that the Church founded by Jesus on the Testimony of the Apostles is a living organism. Yes there’s some organization that it possesses to pay the light bill, the maintenance of the structures etc. but the CHURCH is a living ORGANISM. If I want to be part of the Church, I must be made one with the Body of Christ. I don’t do this by filling out a membership card, I must be Baptized into Christ.

If you are part of an organization that tells you that the Body of Christ is comprised of people from all different organizations calling themselves Christian, you need to examine what you have been taught. The Church, no matter where you find it, teaches the same things, it’s not going to change with the times.

I welcome discussion and questions